Disputatio:Declaratio Arbroathis

Titulus

An "Declaratio Arbroathis"? Id quidam inseruit, sed sine fonte. Documentum ipsum nomen "Abirbrothoci" (cas. loc.) habet, sed de "declaratione" aut "propositu" nihil video. An fontes habemus? Oportet citare. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 05:38, 19 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Salve Andrew. Legebam hoc

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/medieval.html

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/arbroath.html

Non possum loquitur/scribere bene Latinam mihi disperet. Seamusalba 12:18, 19 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Except that the title may have been imposed by a modern editor, and may thus not be an attestation from the document itself. IacobusAmor 12:24, 19 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nomen oppidi hodie in lingua Gadelica Obar Bhrothaig est. Fortasse nomen in Latina a nomino Gadelico sit. Seamusalba 12:32, 19 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Right, then. The document itself carries no title, though it does contain the place name in the form "Abirbrothoc" (not "Arbroath"; and not declined, as I mistakenly said above). The simplest way is to follow "The Latin Library": they are good people, though modern, and they have provided a full title which is what we need. Whether they got it from some intermediate Latin edition, or made it up, I don't know. For the moment, let's follow their lead. Any other citations welcome. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:42, 19 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a text that mentions the document in Latin from the period, that would be a good source. At one time, Arbroath was known as Aber Brothock in Middle English/Early Scots and the Gaelic name is similair so who knows. Seamusalba 20:43, 19 Aprilis 2011 (UTC)[reply]